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PostPosted: 23. 09. 2004. 14:42 
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da i ja postavim jednu temu :)

sta mislite da ovdje komentiramo recenzije koje su na Rock-Planet.com, HiddenThrone.tk i TheAebyss.com. mislim da su to jedina 3 BiH sitea sa samo metal recenzijama (uz duzno postovanje, ako sam u krivu, ispravite me).

ajd da ne pricamo o ukusima, nego cisto o nacinu recenziranja i promocije odredjenih bendova. covjek uci dok je ziv, pa cemo svi valjda iz medjusobnog (dobronamjernog) komentiranja nesto i nauciti ;)

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meni su recenzije ok.


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i meni. :)


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I ja se slazem sa ovim momcima :lol: :lol: :lol:


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da li je svima recenzija (npr) Atrocity - Atlantis (po meni, i po kolegama iz TheAebyss-a, jednom od najboljih albuma godine i genijalnom radu koji zadovoljava fanove mnogih tipova metala ali ipak ostaje dovoljno avantgardan i alternativan da se ne moze svrstati u odredjeni zanr) na Vasem site-u reprezentativna za bend? i kako cete poslije procitane recenzije imati misljenje o tom albumu :?:


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BurningWitch wrote:
sleeping_refuge wrote:
...nemozemo na ovom forumu pobjeci od dvije osnovne teme: GAY-evi i Grupnjaci.hahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Bingo! :P


Pa kad su svi gayevi.. perverznjaci jedni.. :)

ah da.. recenzije su dobre.. very nice.. :wink:


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[+hajvan_ho+] wrote:
da li je svima recenzija (npr) Atrocity - Atlantis (po meni, i po kolegama iz TheAebyss-a, jednom od najboljih albuma godine i genijalnom radu koji zadovoljava fanove mnogih tipova metala ali ipak ostaje dovoljno avantgardan i alternativan da se ne moze svrstati u odredjeni zanr) na Vasem site-u reprezentativna za bend? i kako cete poslije procitane recenzije imati misljenje o tom albumu :?:



da se javim. ne, ne zadovoljava i ne upotpunjuje sliku. Ja sam na samom pocetku rekao da nisam pratio ovaj bend ranije, sto ne znaci da nisam kompetentan da napisem sta mislim o albumu koji su izdali. Ja sam rekao sta se ima reci, drugo, svako ima svoj stil pisanja recenzija, iskreno receno, darkman ovdje pise najbolje recenzije, ali se meni njegov stil toliko i ne dopada jer fakat lik ne da upeglava sa detaljima, vec razvali, ali usput, i da najbolju sliku, ja dam neko osnovno misljenje, a onda je na slusaocu da procjeni. Za ''Atlantis'' rekoh, tekstovi su o ovom, spot je vakav nakav, rekoh sta sviraju, i mislim da je to to. Kad te enko upuita kakav je album, neces rec: prva pjesma traje 4 minute, ima odlican prijelaz na 2 minuti, a onda teskt pjesme govori o ovom il onom, nego ces samo ugrubo objasniti sta mislis. Mislim da na kraju krajeva je do citaoca da ocijeni sta misli o albumu sam kad ga preslusa...

evo sad procitah svoju recenziju ponovno, i fakat ne vidim o cemu je stvar, napisao sam sta sviraju (melodic death), o cemu su tekstovi, sta ima na albumu, kolko pjesama...fakat sam il glup il ne znam...prije ovo prvo...


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PostPosted: 25. 09. 2004. 12:24 
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Meni se svidjela Darkmanova recenzija za M16... :)


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E de dobro je s tim pederlucima, postoje generalne za to, dosta je sto ste i taj dio usrali uveliko s tim....ovdje se vec prica nesto malo ozbiljnije....

Eh sad ta recenzija o kojoj se prica, mislim da jeste malo neobicna jer ne ulazi u neke detalje, osim mozda u one koji su vezani za same tekstove, al znaci o samoj muzici nije puno receno, osim da je rijec o melodic death albumu i da se nece svidjeti ljubiteljima "tvrdjeg" zvuka....e sad covjek se ogradio tim sto je reko da ostavlja neke stvari sami citaocima da zakljuce, sto je s jedne strane u redu, jer desilo mi se puno puta da nakon procitane recenzije pomislim kako je neki album jebiga dobar a onda se razocaram nakon sto cujem sam album ili opet skroz suprotno, jer ljudi su cesto dosta subjektivni pri pisanju recenzija tako da ne mozes uvijek uzet zdravo za gotovo to sto procitas, a opet s one druge strane mogu se opisati one neke ocite stvari, malo vise mozda reci o samim pjesmama, nacin na koji je odsviran album ili pojedina pjesma, uporedit ga mozda s nekim drugim bendom ili albumom da das ljudima da znanja na sta to podjsjeca, izdvojit pjesme koje se TEBI najvise svidjaju, izdvojiti mozda nekog clana benda ako to zasluje ili nesto slicno, al sta ja znam rijec je opet u ukusima.........zakljucak: recenzija nije losa, moglo se reci nesto vise, al su recene neke od osnovnih stvari (opet naglasavam da nisam cuo album), a to sto nije receno mozda je uradjeno s namjerom da se ostavi nesto i drugima, a opet mozda se ustrucava reci neke stvari da ne bi napravio kaku gresku zbog nekog manjka iskustva u pisanju slicnih stvari, jer neam pojma stvarno kolko se cojk bavi tim...


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slazem se da je recenzija subjektivan stav autora ali mislim da je red ljudima opisati i izvuci najbolje iz albuma, a pogotovo da se barem informisati o ranijim radovima odredjenog benda, ako ne i preslusati ih.
mene opis "melodic death metal" asociry na neki Dark Tranquillity, In Flames ili eventualno Agonize a Atrocity recimo nema apsolutno nikakve veze s tim... nebitno

sta mislite o nasim recenzijama?



offtopic: Imal ovdje moderatora da brisu ove gluposti?


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PostPosted: 26. 09. 2004. 20:52 
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Definitivno najbolja recenzija koju sam pročitao je Darkmanova za St.Anger!
Darkman je majstor, svaka mu dala 8) :wink:


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PostPosted: 26. 09. 2004. 21:08 
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pročitao sam tu za st.nager i ok je bila, pročitao sam i angelovu za amon amarth, čini mi se da je provalio da ima primjese goth metala s čim se nikako nebih složio.


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PostPosted: 27. 09. 2004. 23:49 
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Heh St. Anger :lol: Pa slozio bih se i ja sam da mi je to jedna od najboljih recenzija (za jedan od najgorih albuma koji sam ikad cuo, kako paradoksalno). Nekad je poseban gust los album recenzirat, a u ovom se slucaju bas nisam stedio (al ni album hehe). Hvala i drago mi je da se nekima svidja :D
Inace od drugih recenzenata najvise cijenim Ogijeve recenzije, fakat se ne stedi pri pisanju. Nekad iako me relativno ta muzika manje zanima uspije privuc paznju pa makar da preslusam album, sto je naravno plus za recenzenta.
Inace kad su online recenzije u pitanju, mislim da se nebi trebao prostor stediti. OK je za neke fanzine, casopise sto i moraju zbog prostora krace recenzije pisat, al vala na netu je bolje vise procitat. po meni je bolje jedna duga, opsirna i detaljna recenzija nego 10 kracih. I inace preferiram recenzije tipa pjesma-po-pjesma.
I generalna zamjerka (i na svoj racun) je taj sto bi trebalo manje mainstream ganjat. E tu pogotovo onda imaju vecu prednost opsirnije recenzije, jer kad je manje poznat bend u pitanju, nije lose vise saznati kroz recenziju.
Na Rock Planet-u uskoro mozete ocekivat poseban dio o domacim bendovima, gdje cemo Ogi i ja tu gledat veliki broj ex-Yu metal albuma recenzirat i jos vise popravit stanje po tom pitanju :D 8) kojim bi se isto trebali baviti i drugi recenzenti.


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evo nekih randomly pokupljnih koje sam piso prije godinu ili dvije, pa me interesuju komentari ....
iz broja 4 (HT):

SILENT KINGDOM - Visions From Forgotten Land
Self released, 2000.

If you're into Bosnian Metal you must have heard of this Sarajevo band, which exists for four years and this is their debut release. Read the interview for more background info.
Even with Silent Kingdom, Bosnia and Herzegovina is still out of real Black Metal band. Well, they might be closest to the one but with music presented on this LP I'm sure even the band members don't consider "In The Sign Of Evil" to be a classic Black Metal release... To me they seem only as if they got impressed with some, I say some, trade marks of that subgenre in it's modern form (which reflect upon whirlwind blast beats underlined by epic guitar driven, often keyboards too, freezing melodicism backed up by some screaming vox) and mixed it with some ideas of their mystic vision. In fact I'd be hard pressed to come up with a short description of music they play. That's something I don't have a problem at all, naturally, I just want to put some things straight to those who blindly hail them as a hope of domestic true black metal. What really gives identity to them is the idea of incorporating Bosnian folk elements (they must be pioneers if there were any) into songs often accompanied by some complex death metal riffing and/or great melodic heartfelt lead work, these things kick some serious ass but when *separated*, the way they work together should be as important which for some reason doesn't seem to be the case here. I don't feel that brutal distorted and clean folk parts relate to each other in a way that only in that combination message is spread as adequately as writer intended to be ("On The Wings Of Time" is a great example of this; btw, I love the solo in this song). Crowning achievement is a cover of a sevdalinka (traditional Bosnian song, always about love - with a tragic end in this case) "Sa Gradacca, Bijele Kule". Music-wise, main theme is kept of course and lyrics being just translated, I think. It takes balls to make such move yet - on the other side, this song is "Postmortem" of sevdah. I'm sure this sounds much more awe-inspiring to those who don't know where does all this soulful melody come from. Production should be way better, I'd like to hear a razor sharp guitar sound here in the first place. No lyrics included.

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mailto:skingdom_999@yahoo.com

SILENT KINGDOM - Whispering Nights And Majestic Winds EP
Self-released, 2002.

Wow, they caught me off guard with this release. I was expecting them to move toward technical blackened death a la Council Of The Fallen and the like but this EP is an entirely composed for acoustic guitar and percussion; out of four compositions, only last one contains some vocals (which sound like a soundtrack for a fairytale). Yeah, I know this smells like a cliche but I don't think that this was Silent Kingdom jumping on a bandwagon inspite of songtitles and such a rough description of this EP. Music is very serene, relaxing, quiet, mystical - this is great for a late night hours. Yes, this is more of a background music although it's inspired by a rather serious issue, against us killing nature.

~Nedim

SKEPTICISM - The Process Of Farmakon EP
Red Stream, 2001.

Although I'm not familiar with the plead of funeral doom bands that comes from Finland, I'll say that this is a very, very impressive work of art. One of those records I put once in a month or two, but when I listen to it I'm carried away, taking another form and being spewed to the ground once it reaches the end. That would be all about similarities with other music I've listened to.
On the opposite side, this is one of the most depressive, pain reflecting, "no light at the end of the world" piece I've ever heard. It's so negative that it actually awakes the contrary (did band intend 'contrary'?) effect in me and makes me feel happier cause I see that my problems aren't that much painful after all. As selfish as it may sound, it tells a lot about their ability to manipulate with the pen and the instruments. Rather long compositions are based around main, slow, monster of a riff, simple but 'as needed' drum patterns backed up by "whispered growls", yet I got an impression that atmosphere is their thing, targeting on the way it evokes a certain feeling, above mentioned are just requisites.
It comes in an ass kicking digi-pack, lyrics printed but impossible to read (due to minor color difference), great trick... better than not printing them at all. Definitely do check them out.

~Nedim

Red Stream
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mailto:redstream@aol.com
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http://www.farmakon.com


SEAR BLISS - Forsaken Symphony
Red Stream Rec., 2002

It was purely a matter of coincidence that I listened this in a surrounding as suggested by Andras himself (read the int.), before I sat down to write a "review". Plus, I was rather nervous as a result of a gray day so I can tell that their actions resulted with a remarkable goal - this truly is a way to escape into Sear Bliss world of dark fantasy and relax along, riding on the wings of symphonic, well performed compositions. Music is midtempo, semi melodic real Black Metal. I guess their usage of "exotic" instruments (well, trombone and barytone) are just one positive side, the others would be not_less_than average individual qualities and flowing, yet complex, lengthy song structures. One thing that deserves a highlight spot in my books is a inspirational melodic in their own way lead work, perhaps a little unusual for this type of bands, proving that they are not afraid to challenge their own "trueness". Always a good thing.

~Nedim

http://www.searbliss.hu

BATTLEHORNS - Battlehorns
Hohenstaufen Rec.

Battlehornds is yet again one of those bands to show the world how real Black Metal should be done. Nothing against that, it's just that - I know. The fact is that all of these bands are more concerned about "their fight for the cause" than to actually turn to them selves, bid a welcome to inner calls and come up with something authentic, where Black Metal is only a tool not a destination.
Bass is unusually audible, precise drumming, very thin guitar sound and of course filthy concept, still melodic. . It's full of samples deep under the guitars so you can hardly hear it . There are times when you can't recognize a riff not to mention some gun fire or "demon on radio" samples. For those buying blindly anything that falls into mentioned category.

~Nedim

V/A No Colours Records - Victory Through Total Domination Comp., Vol. III

I'm sure many of you are familiar with No Colours and their tastes so this comp. CD comes an no surprise. Raw, filthy Black Metal and one or two thrash bands thrown in to colourize the things. They have some well known names on the roster so, I guess, to those interested by this type of things this might be a nice little sweet present. "What's imagination" cover, no band info just a releases/prices list. Featured acts: Lord Wind, Weltmacht, Nargaroth, Abyssic Hate, Iuvenes, Wigrid, Judas Iscariot, Woodtemple, Graveland, Slaves, Thor's Hammer, Satanic Warmaster, Suicidal Winds, Gaahlskagg, Curse.


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PostPosted: 11. 10. 2004. 21:55 
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Nemem zamjerki na recenzije, dobro su uradjene. Pogotovo za Visions From Forgotten Land! Sve glavno je napisano i svako moze skontat bil ga to eventualno moglo zanimat ili ne. Inace su mi skroz OK recenzije u HT-u, sto inace i nije bas slucaj s nekim drugim fanzinima/casopisima (npr. s jako malo recenzija iz rock/metal expressa i butcherian vibe-a bi se slozio). Al opet je naravno najbolje da svako preslusa neki album i ima svoje misljenje o njemu pa ma kakvo ono bilo.


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PostPosted: 15. 10. 2004. 20:16 
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Darkman wrote:
Al opet je naravno najbolje da svako preslusa neki album i ima svoje misljenje o njemu pa ma kakvo ono bilo.



pa naravno, puno puta dodjes u siutaciju da pises nesto o stvarima koje ne podosis i sta onda, koliko god da si objektivan...
a recenzije su nuzno zlo, kobiva nekakav shortcut izmedju muzicara i slusatelja... al ne treba to tako grubo gledatii, ja gledam na recenzije kao na dokaz mog licnog (ne)razumijevanja muzike, koliko to neko cita ne znaci mi puno, barem ne sad dok to radim iz ljubavi :)


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a sto se tice ME, pa pola ljudi su pozercine mrtve, barem se tako predstavljaju... neki od njih rade i za BV tako da nije cudo iako je Max Butcher metalac do kosti i sigurno je veliki metal guru...


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Znajuci situaciju u praksi, mislim da o Maxu radje ne bih komentarisao. Mogao bih iznijeti par stvari koje sam cuo iz provjerenih izvora, al ne zelim da se upustam u diskusije tog tipa javno.

Metal Express mozda ostave dojam da su "pozercine" ali osim njih i Rakica, u Srbiji metal "istinski" ne gura niko, te bez njih bi generalna situacija na Balkanu bila daleko jadnija. Ma koliko nekima od nas smetao Rogosic kao pojava i njegov ukus, covjek je svima nama omogucio da se domognemo hrpe izdanja za haman badava.


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pa i ja govorim na osnovu licnog iskustva... i to samo na osnovu cinjenica


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KoldVoid wrote:
hrpe izdanja za haman badava.


koja si ti pozerska pedercina...garant sad sehuris .... :twisted: badava...uu....pussies...


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