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stari serator
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 09. 01. 2009. 16:43 
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Striker wrote:
poslushaj prvi album suffocationa ili cak slayera.. e to je sranje produkcija..jer tad nisu znali ni mogli bolje uradit... jest old school al produkcija kaarinaa..
isto vazi i za nile ... kod slayera se to toliko ne primjeti al kod ovih brutalnijih se itekako osjeti.. kad bi se uradili remasteri ovih albuma to bi bilo ludilo..tek bi se onda SVE CULO!
jest da bi na duhu izgubilo al eto..

Npr. produkcija je meni malo usrala posljednji album deeds-a. Dobos piskavi koji je bio njihov zastitni znak..barem meni ..sad je normalan dobos..sranje nevidjeno


tako nekako al meni oni stariji albumi zvuce toplije, jest da je na novijim sve izrazenije, mada ja mislim da je tajna upravo kako bend fercera sa takvim zvukom...nekim bendovima malo podruma nije na odmet...sjetimo se entombeda na same difference, e ono je skupa poprok produkcija, al to je bend koji je odsviro klandestin...uzas.
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Riot
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 09. 01. 2009. 17:32 
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stari serator wrote:
tako nekako al meni oni stariji albumi zvuce toplije, jest da je na novijim sve izrazenije, mada ja mislim da je tajna upravo kako bend fercera sa takvim zvukom...nekim bendovima malo podruma nije na odmet...sjetimo se entombeda na same difference, e ono je skupa poprok produkcija, al to je bend koji je odsviro klandestin...uzas.

fino si srocio, TOPLIJI je najadekvatnija rijec il fakat:D nema vise onih bas papa "tup" da je zvuk, da je sve nekako okruglasto, da ne prste visoki tonovi, da vokal ne "lebdi" kao sto sad..
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stari serator
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 09. 01. 2009. 17:33 
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preveliki akcenat na segregaciju instrumenata da, a bubnjevi su u 99% slucajeva na novijim Metal albumima semplovi.
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Riot
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 09. 01. 2009. 17:40 
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100% ba, trigger kroz modul na sample(nema benda da im ddrum nije sponzor)
sto je tuzno likovi fakat ono sviraju, ne trigger u smislu da varaju(dinamici),
al zvuk skoro svima ispadne kao nakucan dzaba :D
jebes te pape i dobose
najbolji dobosh - obituary (ko da puca lobanja :D)
bas papa - morbidova na covenantu i dominationu :D


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mrkva
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
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šit produkcija je zakon i gotovoi ......... end of diskašn :mrgreen:
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Dee Sub Wun
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 11. 01. 2009. 13:53 
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jedino sto mrzim vise od lose produkcije je sterilna produkcija. zlatna sredina zakon. nervira me pun kurac pravo dobrih i lose isproduciranih pank i tres metal albuma.
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kktz
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 11. 01. 2009. 14:35 
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bas, danas je pravo cudo naci album tako produciran, ni lo fi al ni moderno sterilan. sa jedne strane trigeri, komp i sva ta sintetika, sa druge lo fi pretjerivanje, onako zdravi dobar "organski" zvuk, gotovo da izumro.
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mrkva
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
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e i onda kada na koncert dodes gledas koji kurac ........ zar ovaj bend onako dobro zvuci na kompu
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stari serator
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
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kktz wrote:
bas, danas je pravo cudo naci album tako produciran, ni lo fi al ni moderno sterilan. sa jedne strane trigeri, komp i sva ta sintetika, sa druge lo fi pretjerivanje, onako zdravi dobar "organski" zvuk, gotovo da izumro.


Moze bit jer je isti najskuplji za izvest ;)

Mislim da je Andy Sneap, kralj sterilne Metal produkcije, nedavno o tome vazio. Generalno su slusaoci istog misljenja. Neko je na Terrorizerovom forumu pokrenuo topic "where have all the hanetts gone", ne bih se mogao vise sloziti. Nema vise eksperimentacije ni producenata koji pokusavaju dobiti odredjen zvuk, samo se puca na dva cilja, il da bude uzas, il da bude klinika schwanzwald...
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kktz
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 11. 01. 2009. 15:44 
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stari serator wrote:
Moze bit jer je isti najskuplji za izvest ;)


i najteze, treba i dobar bend i dobar majstor, plus naravno sa pravom a ne virtualnom opremom. u biti, sve se radi ko na traci, i u najskupljim i najjeftinijim varijantama, ne vidim uopce smisao toga, al koda se vise neko i pita za smisao :mrgreen:
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stari serator
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
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cilj opravdava sredstvo ;)
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kktz
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
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:mrgreen:
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6328-2
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 12. 01. 2009. 08:00 
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A jos kad se u te 2 krajnosti produkcije umjesa trka u glasnoci, koja pojebe i dinamiku i kvalitet zvuka i frekvencije i ostalo.
Zato, kad god mogu uzmem plocu. Skup hobi, al jebiga. :)
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Striker
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 12. 01. 2009. 09:39 
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dinamika u death metalu NE POSTOJI
a nidje veze je to sto kazes da pojede dinamiku... navedi mi jedan primjer
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6328-2
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 12. 01. 2009. 10:49 
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Hahaha, nema to veze sa zanrom drugar, radi se o produkciji, o dinamici u tom kontekstu, o pretjeranoj kompresiji dinamickog opsega, npr. prilikom masteringa za CD, da bi snimak bio sto glasniji i primjeciviji, bez obzira na kvalitet zvuka, a od tog ti pati i death metal i mtv sranja i dzigara i kurci palci.
Jasta da pojede i pojebe, ma siluje dinamiku, pa dosta mjuze zbog tog (ali ne i samo zbog tog) zvuci ravno, sterilno i neuzbudljivo, kao sto je vec spomenuto u prethodnim postovima.
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Snake
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 12. 01. 2009. 13:02 
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zato zivio Martin Birch :)
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stari serator
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 12. 01. 2009. 18:49 
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6328-2 wrote:
A jos kad se u te 2 krajnosti produkcije umjesa trka u glasnoci, koja pojebe i dinamiku i kvalitet zvuka i frekvencije i ostalo.
Zato, kad god mogu uzmem plocu. Skup hobi, al jebiga. :)


Da al to je do masteringa, ne produkcije.
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 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 12. 01. 2009. 18:50 
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Snake wrote:
zato zivio Martin Birch :)


Dobar je on bio al neznam da je ista osim Purple i Maidena uradio. A i bio je prilicno predvidiv iskreno...nisu ga se dzabe Mejdni sami kotarisali...
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 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 13. 01. 2009. 11:45 
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Snake wrote:
zato zivio Martin Birch :)


Dobar je on bio al neznam da je ista osim Purple i Maidena uradio. A i bio je prilicno predvidiv iskreno...nisu ga se dzabe Mejdni sami kotarisali...

ooo jeste ;)

For Fleetwood Mac

* 1969 Then Play On (engineer)
* 1970 Kiln House (engineer)
* 1971 Future Games (engineer)
* 1972 Bare Trees (engineer)
* 1973 Penguin (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1973 Mystery to Me (producer, engineer, guitar)

For Deep Purple

* 1969 Concerto for Group and Orchestra (engineer)
* 1970 Deep Purple in Rock (engineer)
* 1971 Fireball (engineer)
* 1972 Machine Head (engineer)
* 1972 Made in Japan (engineer)
* 1973 Who Do We Think We Are (engineer)
* 1974 Burn (engineer, mixing)
* 1974 Stormbringer (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1975 Come Taste the Band (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1976 Made in Europe (producer, engineer, mixing)- recorded live in April 1975
* 1977 Last Concert in Japan (producer, engineer) - recorded live in December 1975

For Wishbone Ash

* 1970 Wishbone Ash (engineer)
* 1971 Pilgrimage (engineer)
* 1972 Argus (engineer)

For Rainbow

* 1975 Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1976 Rising (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1977 On Stage (producer, engineer, mixing) - recorded live in 1976
* 1978 Long Live Rock 'n' Roll (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1986 Finyl Vinyl (producer) - collection

For Whitesnake

* 1978 Snakebite (producer)
* 1978 Trouble (producer)
* 1978 Live at Hammersmith (producer)
* 1979 Lovehunter (producer, engineer)
* 1980 Ready an' Willing (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1980 Live...In the Heart of the City (producer, engineer) - recorded live in 1978 and 1980
* 1981 Come an' Get It (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1982 Saints & Sinners (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1984 Slide It In (producer)

For Black Sabbath

* 1980 Heaven and Hell (producer, engineer)
* 1981 Mob Rules (producer, engineer)

For Blue Öyster Cult

* 1980 Cultösaurus Erectus (producer, engineer)
* 1981 Fire of Unknown Origin (producer, engineer)

For Iron Maiden

* 1981 Killers (producer, engineer)
* 1982 The Number of the Beast (producer, engineer)
* 1983 Piece of Mind (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1984 Powerslave (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1985 Live After Death (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1986 Somewhere in Time (producer, engineer)
* 1988 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1990 No Prayer for the Dying (producer, engineer, mixing)
* 1992 Fear of the Dark (producer, engineer, mixing)

For other artists

* 1969 Jeff Beck - Beck-Ola (Cosa Nostra) (engineer)
* 1970 Peter Green - The End of the Game (engineer)
* 1970 The Groundhogs - Thank Christ for the Bomb (engineer)
* 1971 Canned Heat and John Lee Hooker - Hooker 'N' Heat (Mixdown Engineer) - recorded in 1970
* 1971 Jon Lord - Gemini Suite (engineer)
* 1971 Skid Row - 34 Hours (engineer)
* 1971 Toad - Toad (engineer)
* 1971 Faces - Long Player (engineer)
* 1972 Silverhead - Silverhead (producer)
* 1972 Toad - Tomarrow Blue (engineer
* 1973 Gary Moore - Grinding Stone (producer, engineer)
* 1974 Tony Ashton & Jon Lord - First of the Big Bands (engineer)
* 1976 Jon Lord - Sarabande (producer, engineer, remixing)
* 1977 Paice, Ashton & Lord - Malice in Wonderland (engineer)
* 1978 The Electric Chairs-"The Electric Chairs"(producer)
* 1978 Wayne County & the Electric Chairs-"Storm The Gates Of Heaven"(producer)
* 1978 Wayne County & the Electric Chairs"Blatantly Offensive E.P.(producer)
* 1978 Roger Glover - Elements (producer)
* 1979 Cozy Powell - "Over the Top (producer)
* 1982 Michael Schenker Group - Assault Attack (producer, engineer)
* 2008 Branimir Piljic Rocks & Roll's - Number One (producer)
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stari serator
 Post subject: Re: shit produkcija
PostPosted: 13. 01. 2009. 18:25 
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U osamdesetim nista sem Mejdna i MSG-a, i tog nekog lokalnog.

jebiga Bircha je vrijeme pregazilo.

meni su najbolji primjeri njegove produkcije ta dva Sabbatha sto je uradio, Mob Rules pogotovo, bas oporan ali topao zvuk. Mejdn su vazda bili malo cudnog gitarskog tona, uglavnom da bi pustili Harrisa naprijed u miksu sto meni i nije vrhunac al ajd...
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